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Anthony225
 I understand that when the hips turn the upper body in the downswing the elbows should come back down in front of the body in your method. When the backswing is complete, the right elbow had some bend to it. My question is during the downswing does the whole upper torso turn back down in front together while keeping the bent right elbow "as is" for a while until about hip level when the right arm starts to straighten on its own? Is that how the elbows get back in front?
Ross
The whole upper torso does not turn back down like it is a separate thing.  We are unwinding from ground up like a rubber band.  On the downswing, the body essentially is unwinding in the opposite direction.  The right or back elbow will open up on its own due to inertia.  You don't want to activate muscles in the hands/arms to try to make it open.  The elbow (in general) is still a little bent when, it arrives in front of the back hip just before impact.  The back arm will eventually straighten out after impact.

The elbows get back in front, when the body unwinding, brings them back down through impact.  It is like the body "swings" the arms/club back down and through impact.  I don't usually use the word "swing" because a "swing" stays on one path and is not "turning"... but it is as if it was a "swing" that the body was moving in a rotary path.

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Anthony225
Ok. The reason I'm asking is because I'm still seeing a bit of flip at the ball and my elbow straightens too early. It seems that in order for the elbow to remain bent longer, it must come down with the back shoulder as the body rotates. This is what I meant by the upper torso turning together. Maybe I should have said back shoulder and bent back elbow move together ini the down swing before right arms straightens. 
Ross
A good way to learn to stop flipping is the Fixed Wrist Drill.  That may help.

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DaveF

Hi Ross!
    Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question about the right elbow. If I’m keeping my elbows pointed at the hips and just turn my shoulders in the backswing, should the right elbow be folding at all? I associate that with the template breaking down is why I ask. (Alternatively, if I’m keeping my elbows pinched at the top and again at impact do I need to think about anything else “elbow related” if that’s working for me?)

I relate to the torso comment because I’ve really struggled with that as the manifestation of any tension. If I don’t totally relax my stomach and upper abdomen my shoulders do not make a full turn and my elbows disconnect and there’s no coil. But when I relax my lower AND upper Abs so it feels like I’m turning my shoulders above my chest (which I think I read about in one of your blog posts?), it is magical. Still pretty new to me though TBH. Working on breathing exercises and a better routine. Suggestions?

Overall, credit to Ross for keeping it as simple as possible, because I am NOT an athlete that’s for sure. Definitely making big progress sticking with the method, gaining confidence, and having it feel natural. 


 

Ross
Hi Dave.  First, the elbows only point at the hips at setup and again through impact*. They don't keep pointing at the hips during the backswing.  Watch the Shoulder Turn Lesson Video for more on this.  Yes the right (back) elbow does bend a little on the backswing.  There have been discussions on this if you search.  Keeping the elbows pinched helps a lot of things.  Nothing to add if it is working for you. Taking a deep breath through your nose and holding a few seconds, then releasing the air just before you start your Routine is a great way to relax right before you take your shot.  Good to hear from you Dave... glad you're making progress !!

* Remember at impact the hips are slightly opened due to the body unwinding... so the elbows/hips don't line up exactly like they were at setup.

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